THE INSTITUTE OF TEXAN CULTURES
ORAL HISTORY PROGRAM
INTERVIEW WITH: Charles T. and Marjorie Johnson
DATE: October 24, 1990
PLACE: Their home, 339 Thorain, San Antonio, Tx
INTERVIEWER: Barbara Knightly, their daughter
BK: Books, newspapers, and magazines have covered certain
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events in the history of border radio in the 1930s. This
interview is an attempt to add to that history. Mr.Johnson,
whose professional name was Ted Johnson, worked on border
stations and also was acquainted with Dr.John R.Brinkley,
both in Del Rio and Milford, Kansas. From the beginning,
everything in this interview is his own personal belief and
opinion as to the events that transpired. Mr.Johnson, where
were you born?
CJ: In Gilbert, Michigan.
BK: When?
CJ: 1905, October lOth.
BK: Can you tell us something about your parents?
CJ: Well, they were Swedish immigrants and didn't speak an
awful lot of English and so I lived with my grandparents
mostly when I was a child.
BK: All right, could you tell us something about your
education?
CJ: I was •.• I graduated from the high school in Manton,
Michigan, which was just 4 miles from where I was born at
Gilbert, and later I received first a Bachelor's Degree and
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CJ: then two Masters• Degrees from college in San Antonio,
Texas.
BK: And where did you go from then?
CJ: Hum
BK: You were engaged in school work?
CJ: Yes, I was a principal, a school teacher, and did odds
and ends for the school superintendent.
BK: Okay, how did you get started in radio and where?
CJ: I got started in radio at York, Nebraska. I just
happened to be at the right place, I guess, at the right
time when the man asked me if I wanted to say a few words
just to hear how I would sound on radio, and after I'd said
a few words, he hired me.
BK: All right, how did you happen to go to Eagle Pass,
Texas?
CJ: I was working at a small station in Clay Center,
Nebraska, when Mr.Branch, that's W.E.Branch who had built a
radio station, XEPN, down there at Pedras Negras, Mexico.
He called me by phone and said he had been listening to me
on the radio and would I be interested in coming to work for
him.
BK: Okay.
CJ: And I told him yes.
BK: And you got to Eagle Pass and when you got there, where
did you stay and what did you do?
CJ: I stayed at the Eagle Hotel, which was a, you might say
the social gathering place in Eagle Pass and I went to work
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CJ: as an announcer at XEPN.
BK: Across the river?
CJ: Across the river in Piedras Negras.
BK: You had studios over there?
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CJ: We had studios in both places. We had studios in the
Eagle Hotel, that was for remote, and then the other studio
was the main one in Piedras Negras.
BK: But you mentioned the social center. What were some of
the people who lived at the hotel or hung around the hotel?
CJ: You might say all the business people. There were
farmers, ranchers, I guess you might just sum it all up, all
the business people in the area gathered there for their
coffee and to sit around and gossip; talk.
BK: Can you name some of these people?
CJ: No, I can't but maybe Mrs.Johnson could. Margie, how
about you corning over here and telling me? Corne on.
MJ: Well, there was a man named Ritchie who was spinach
king. There was a Finan who was a big rancher in Mexico.
Harper was also a big rancher in Mexico. They had homes on
both sides of the river and many others. A Mexican general
from Piedras Negras often carne over for coffee, and I can't
remember the rest of them.
BK: Tell them about the big porch on the front of the
hotel.
MJ: Oh, there was a porch on the front of the hotel with
rocking chairs and everybody sat out there and watched the
traffic go by and saw each other and a big social time every
day.
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BK: Now, could you tell me something about the station?
How powerful it was, where you broadcast from, and what were
some of the things that were advertised on the station?
CJ: XEPN broadcast on a frequency of, I believe it was 600
and some odd ••. it was either 630 or 620. I know we
conflicted with one of the American stations in San Antonio
but we finally got that settled. But the power of the
station was approximately 100,000 watts and just to give you
an idea of the strength of 100,000 watts, the station that I
was working on in Clay Center was 1,000 watts and it went
out I suppose 50 or 100 miles in all directions while XEPN
went almost into every state in the Union. And we did get
letters from overseas as well and from some of the islands.
Now, as to what we broadcast, I was just an announcer -
you might say a salesman on the station. We had cowboys and
we sold cowboy song books . We sold oil leases, that is we
had oil men come in there and they were selling oil leases.
I can't say that that was a very good program but it went
over big there. Anyway, they sold a lot of leases. We had
fortune-tellers and they made a lot of money. We sold
diamonds, that is, the ads usually were 'send one dollar for
a genuine glass diamond' - and most of them were glass. We
also had a Major Cord who sold piano and accordion l essons.
Major Cord did the announcing, he did the selling and
Mrs.Cord played the accordion and played the piano for him.
We had a fellow by the name of Kelly who did tap dancing and
sold tap dancing lessons. We sold baby chicks for some of
the hatcheries in the area - even sold cottonseed for a
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CJ: fellow from up at New Braunfels, I believe it was .••
or San Marcos. And we had, well, let's say we sold a lot of
trinkets and even cosmetics.
We used to laugh many times at the announcers. We
would get together and we'd say why don't we lump all of the
articles that we sell here into just one package and we'll
say we will sell you the whole package for ten bucks - but
the owners of the station wouldn't go for that. Maybe I'm
making a little fun of the thing, but the station did do
some very legitimate work as well, and does that answer the
questions that you were asking?
BK: How about preachers?
CJ: Oh, yes, we had some preachers. We had some religious
broadcasts and we also had a Dr.Sam Morris who spoke against
liquor and used to talk about the rats in the beer vats, and
then we had other ministers who came and just made a
religious program. We had a fellow from San Antonio who
used to interpret dreams for them on the ••• on telev ••• on
radio and also I would like to mention that the station was
very popular. We had people come down there, especially on
weekends, from all over the United States come down there to
eat at this . ~ . that was the Dos Equis, the Two "X" Gardens
- a very lovely nightclub, and they would come down there to
eat and then watch the broadcast because I used to do a one
hour broadcast with the band, that was Lara Zubiate's
Orchestra, about an 18-piece orchestra, excellent musicians,
played from 11:00 unt~l 12:00 midnight. Our hours were from
6:00 in the evening until midnight and also from 5 to 7 in
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CJ: the mornings, and the broadcasts in the morning were
usually done from the main studios in Piedras Negras, but
the evening broadcasts except for the orchestra playing at
the Two "X" Gardens, were from our remote studios in the
ballroom at the Eagle Hotel.
BK: Was there something about a cancer clinic?
CJ: Yes, the Spann Sanitorium in Dallas, Texas, selling -
well, it was a fellow by the name of Hocksey who had a •••
it wasn't a very good thing but he preached that he could
cure cancer and we broadcast those cancer cures for, I guess
it went on for about 3 or 4 months and then it was taken off
the air.
BK: You mentioned fortune-tellers. Could you tell us
something about how they went about their broadcasts?
CJ: Certainly. We had several of those. I think the main
ones that I can remember was Dr.Richards and a fellow by the
name of Marjong and who was the young fellow from California
that • • • ?
MJ: Zandra.
CJ: Zandra and then we had the fellow that always came in
late and they always played a ••• Gale Norman ••• yes.
Well, here's what ••• I won't mention anymore of those.
What they did was they would get on the air and they'd read
these letters they had received from people asking
questions. You know, like my husband is doing so and so and
I want to know whether he's being true to me or not •.• and
they would answer the thing on the TV, on the radio. And
they'd spend about fifteen minutes just answering questions,
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CJ: but what actually happened was there at the end, they
would say - now if you have any serious questions that you
would like answered, you may mail it along to me, Lamarja,
in care of this station. They would send this letter and
they would enclose a dollar, see?
And they would send back the answers to whatever their
questions were and also a little pamphlet or a little piece
of information for them. Now, the money that came in and
there were thousands of dollars came in every day, they
would all be given to the, in the mail room, to a
representative of the station and the fortune-teller
together. They would go through and count the money and
they'd split it 50/50 and that was it. We did the same
thing with the cowboy song books. Major Cord did the same
way. In fact, all of those that were where we were selling
the product direct, we would always go into the mail room
and go over the mail together with the representative from
the station, and we would split the money 50/50. Now, what
else was it you were asking about?
BK: On the tap dancer, how would you ••• what would •••
what would he do?
CJ: (laughter) The tap dancer, he had a board that he ••.
he would sit in a chair and then he would tap his feet on
the thing and it sounded like a real tap •.• like he was
actually on a big stage doing a tap dance. Then he would
explain that he had this chart that you would go by this
chart and the instructions were in the book that he would
sell you for a dollar.
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BK: Major Cord?
CJ: Major Cord. She would play the piano or she would play
the accordion and then Don Baxter who was the announcer for
Major Cord, he would explain just exactly how you could
follow the directions in the book that he would send you for
one dollar so that you could learn to play the piano or to
play the accordion.
BK: Were the Carters there? The Carter Family?
CJ: Yes, the Carters were there. That reminds me. Those
they are still on the air, aren't they? In television .
BK:
CJ:
BK:
Uh huh.
Yes, with
Johnny Cash?
what's his name?
CJ: Johnny Cash and his wife is one of the Carters.
were down there. I don't remember just •••
BK: Maybell?
CJ: Momma Maybell.
BK: And I don't know the names of the others.
They
CJ: I think there were two husbands down there. One was
the ex-husband and one was the husband .•• the present
husband ••• of the Carters- but they were down there. They
were wonderful people. We used to have a lot of visitors
down there, in fact, Tom Mix once came down to the station
to visit with us.
BK: Okay, what about the cowboys now. Could we talk a
little more about the cowboys?
CJ: Yes. We had a lot of ••• we had a regular cowboy band
there at one time and I'm going to give this information to
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CJ: the people who would like to hear about it. My
daughter, Barbara Knightly, who is doing the interview, used
to be called "Little Barbie." Sometimes they called her •.•
oh, what was that little actress ••. Shirley Temple, that's
what the Mexicans used to call her. She sang with one of
these cowboy groups while we were down there and then we had
cowboy singers ••• We had a Cowboy Sam and I think the one
that was the most famous of all was Cowboy Slim. That was
Slim Reinhart, Nolan Reinhart. He was killed in an
automobile accident in Detroit, Michigan, later on, but Slim
was an excellent singer and we sold an awful lot of cowboy
song books. In fact, one time the Republic Studios in
Hollywood called me and asked me if I would keep track of
the mail that I was receiving for Slim Reinhart for just a
period of 2 weeks and I did. And they wre averaging around
225,000 letters per week.
BK: That's a bit.
CJ: That's a lot of them.
BK: How about W.Lee O'Daniel? Was he there?
CJ: W.Lee O'Daniel and his Hillbilly Boys he called them.
They were there for the
flour?
MJ: Light Crust.
what was the name of that
CJ: Light Crust Doughboys, yes. and he ••• he sold the
product on the air. Later when he decided to run for
Governor of the State of Texas, he did most of his
campaigning on XEPN and by the way, he was elected Governor
of Texas.
MJ: Please pass the biscuits, Pappy.
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CJ: Please pass the biscuits, Pappy, uh huh.
BK: Since you mention Dr.Brinkley, would you tell us
something about the man and his character?
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CJ: Yes, I knew Dr.John R.Brinkley first when he was at
Milford, Kansas. I was employed as a bookkeeper on a ranch
out in Kansas and I listened to the radio station from
Milford several times and finally decided I was going to go
over there and visit the people and that's how I met
Dr.Brinkley. And he, as a lot of people knew, perhaps in
San Antonio, he ran for Governor of the State of Texas •.• I
believe it was against a Mr. Woodring. I believe he was the
Assistant ••. I'm not sure if he was in the War Department
or the Defense Department, anyway, Dr.Brinkley actually won
the election. I'm positive of that. But you see, the
Election Board said that you had to put his name in as
Dr.John R.Brinkley. You couldn't just say Dr.Brinkley, you
couldn't say Mr.Brinkley, or Mr.Brinkley, M.D. You had to
have a Dr.John R. Brinkley , so they threw out all of the
votes that were for him that were not written that way and
he lost.
Now, there has been some talk about him being a ••• a,
let's say, a Master in Sc ientific Research ••. goat glands.
We talked about that many times . In fact, I have made up my
own opinions on this.
transplanting actually.
He didn't do any goat gland
I think he did with a couple of
goats, that is transplanted from one goat to another in his
experiments, but as far as humans, it just didn't, wasn't
working out and the name goat gland specialist was a tag
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CJ: that was put on him by, let's say, those who didn't
like him who were.also in the medical profession.
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Now, when he went to Del Rio and established himself in
the hotel there in Del Rio, he started mostly on this
vasectomy operation and I am told and I think it's from good
authority from many doctors. In fact, our own doctor here
in San Antonio told me many times that the vasectomy
operation was something that was not a bit uncommon. All
surgeons did that operation, but Dr.Brinkley made a
specialty of it and advertised it over his powerful station
XER. Now they claim that XER was a 1,000,000 watts, but I
talked to Mr.Branch many times who was an engineer at XEPN
and he said he didn't thi nk they ever operated much over
100,000 watts, which was the same as XEPN. But they did
reach out a long way.
Now as far as the character of Dr.Brinkley, I liked the
man. I think he was very honest. He was an excellent
surgeon. He did some work for me . One time I had a nasty
thing in my throat while I was working for Dr.Brinkley at
XEAW down at Reynosa. I worked for him down there for quite
some time at his s tation there .•• and I had mentioned it
over the air that I had this terrible sore throat and while
I was doing one of Dr.Brinkley's lectures for him, I said I
might even have cancer of the throat unless I can have
something done about it. But 2 hours later , Dr.Brinkley
walked into the studios there at XCAW and says , "What's all
this stuff you're talking about, about your throat?" And I
said, "We ll, it's awfully sore." He examined it. Sure
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CJ: enough, I had this great big lump in my throat that was
- he lanced it for me. And then a few days later, he
removed that lump from my throat. He doctored it for me.
Now he used his own airplane and flew from Del Rio to
Reynosa to do this for me. That was just one little thing
he did for me.
I sat in his office several times when he was
interviewing men who had come down from South Dakota,
Kansas, Nebraska - all over the United States to have a
vasectomy operation and if they would tell him that they had
this money in the bank and that they were paying for it,
well he would go ahead with his operation. But I caught him
twice where he says to a man, "You lied to me. You said you
had this money in the bank, but you didn't, you borrowed it
from the bank. And so I'm returning your money for you.
I'm not accepting any money that you had to borrow from the
bank in order to come down here." That's just one little
thing that he did.
I was in a very bad automobile accident one time and
had a terrible bruise on my leg and I happened to mention it
one time. Dr.Brinkley massaged that leg. He also did - I
don't know what work was - he used needles to go in there to
break up what he says was a forming of a blood clot that
might go in my blood vein (stream?} and he prevented me
having a blood clot - I mean a clot go in my blood. He did
a lot of nice things like that.
My own personal opinion was that Dr.Brinkley was a very
much maligned, wrongly accused by the medical profession of
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CJ: things that I'm sure he didn't do. That's my own
personal opinion. I liked the man. I think he was a fine
doctor and a real gentleman.
One thing I think I mentioned. I think I said he was
running for Governor of Texas. I meant Governor of Kansas.
Another thing I'd like to mention, is that he had a
beautiful home there in Del Rio. It was, you might say,
just a mansion. And he kept his yard there and the grounds
around it, looking beautiful. He also had a yacht and his
yacht, I never was on it, but Don who had Major Cord on the
station, he had told me that he had visited his yacht a
couple of times. He said it was just as magnificient as it
could be.
Well, while he was criticized for some of those things,
it was his money. He could do with it what he pleased.
As far as his station, his XER Station was concerned,
they ran about the same type of programs that we did on
XEPN. Rose Dawn was one of the famous fortune tellers that
operated on XER.
Now one thing about Dr.Brinkley, he was a master
salesman. In his l ectures that he would give about this
prostate trouble that the men would have, he would say, "Now
don't sit around squirming on that cocklebur, we can remove
it and make you feel like a million bucks." And so the
people around there got to talking about how the men would
come in there on crutches and leave with a secretary on
their arm. In other words, that was just part of the sales
pitch that they used.
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CJ: People who came there for this vasectomy operation were
treated royally in their hotels. They were just wined and
dined and pampered for about oh, 10 or 15 days and then sent
home just feeling on top of the world. It was marvelous
salesmanship on the part of Dr.Brinkley but that's good
salesmanship. That's the only thing that I can say about
it. When you want to sell something, you want to doctor it
up, or make it look awfully enticing and he did for those
men. I think that's about the only thing I can say about
it.
BK: You mentioned to me one time that the big station in
Del Rio closed. Could you tell us something about that?
CJ: Yes, XER was removed- was taken off the air. I don't
know just exactly what happened, but I presumed that there
was some litigation started in Mexico and anyway, XER was
closed. And Dr.Brinkley came to Eagle Pass then and did his
broadcasts from XEPN instead. It was rather, I'd say a
little bit amusing. The man was afraid because he had money
and there had been threats of kidnapping, there'd been
threat of robbery and he was always a little bit afraid.
And when he would sit in the studio doing his broadcast, he
would hand me his 45-gun and I would sit in the studio and
hold the gun while he was doing his broadcasting. I don't
know whether I'd ever have the nerve to shoot anybody that'd
come in there to hurt him, or not. But, anyway, I used to
do that, so I guess I was his bodyguard while he did his
broadcast.
Sometime s he'd bring his little boy with him when he'd
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CJ: come over. That was Danny-boy, er Johnny-boy. Johnny
is dead now, so I shouldn't say anything bad about him but
he was the nastiest little brat that I've ever known. He
would just do everything he could possibly do to make
himself just a nuisance. So what I used to do, I'd pinch
him. And he would just scream and I'd- and then he'd
tattle on me that I had pinched him and then, of course, I'd
deny that I had pinched him.
He had a boyfriend with him that used to come over -
Don Howard who was one of the announcers in Del Rio. His
son was Danny-boy and so Denny-boy and Johnny-boy used to
come over together sometimes. Well, the two of them would
get in a scrap and so I would entice the one to hit the
other one and I'd pinch one or the other so they'd yell and
then I'd say, "I didn't do it. I think he did it instead."
That was just something that we used to do in the studio.
Now Dr.Brinkley, when he came to XEPN to do his
broadcast, we also had another doctor that we had at XEPN at
times, Dr. Meadowbrook, who was a •.• I guess you'd say, a
man trying to be a Dr.Brinkley. He was doing the same
operation, the same kind of broadcast but just never did go
over as good as Dr.Brinkley did. So finally that was sort
of a thing that just faded away.
And what else did you ask me about him?
BK: In the summertime, what else . . .
CJ: Oh, in the summertime, we'd get to where the weather
got hot, the station didn't reach out as far as it did in
the winter months. And so they would lock our pay down.
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CJ: My pay would be cut in half as an announcer. And so,
Margery and I and Barbara, our daughter, we would move over
to the Mexican side and we lived in the studios. The studio
was a great big hotel, you might say in an abandoned hotel.
It was .•. hotel. We had an apartment upstairs. I wish you
could see it. I can't describe it. But I would say that we
never dared to walk across the floor in our bare feet.
It had no rugs, it was just the bare wood. Our
furniture was just what we were able to scrape up and put in
there. But one nice thing about it I think Margery's quota
of expense f or each week, I think, was something around two
dollars per week. That included meat and potatoes and all
the vegetables and bread, and so forth, because food was
dirt cheap over there and we'd get our meat from the Mexican
side . We'd c lose our eyes when we'd go in there to buy it,
but we'd tell them what we wanted and they'd wrap it up in a
package and we'd pay for it and get out of there. You
didn't dare look around too much with all that meat hanging
up in the place.
What else, Barbara, would you like to hear about?
BK: Ah, about owners of the station.
CJ: Owners of the station was W.E.Branch. There was an
enginee r and Mr.Bress, C.M.Bress. We called him Claudio
M.Bress. He was the money behind it and Branch was, I'd
say, the brains behind as far as the eng ineering was
concerned. He also had built XER for Dr.Brinkley, and he
also built XEAW at Reynosa and he built another station
later, XELO there in Pi e dras Negras and then moved it out to
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CJ: California. And Dr., I mean Mr.Branch incidentally was
electrocuted in one of his stations at, let's see, that was
across from El Paso, wasn't it where he - yeah, at Juarez
where he was electrocuted. I don't know just exactly how it
happened, but he touched something that he shouldn't have
touched one time and was killed there.
BK: His name was Bill and his wife's name
CJ: Bill Branch.
BK: What was his last name? Billy?
CJ: No, his daughter was Billy.
BK: There was another Bill or Billy.
. . .
CJ: No, there was a son, his son was Billy and - Bill and
his daughter was Billy. His wife was Martha.
BK: What about the parrot. They trained him to call,
"Bill."
CJ: Yeah, the parrot would call, "Bill!" One thing about
Mr. Branch he was a great eater and he used to be - he was a
marvelous cook. He used to cook Huevos Rancheros and then
invite Marge and me to come over and eat Huevos Rancheros at
his house. r
BK: The station finally closed. What •.•
CJ: The station finally closed because - well, it was a
case of these fortune tellers - the govenment, the United
States Govenment claimed that that was a fraud and so they
charged Mr.Branch with defrauding the public but.they gave
him the option to either get out of Eagle Pass with his
studios or be arrested. And he opted for moving his studios
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CJ: to the Mexican side.
Now the transmitter, of course, was always on the
Mexican side and the power was brought over from Eagle Pass.
They didn't do anything about that the power station was on
the American side and they ran the power over the Mexican
side.
However, there was a difficulty then a little bit later
on between Mr.Bress and Mr.Branch. I don't know what caused
it, but anyway the two partners in ownership of XEPN - it
just couldn't be resolved and the story is, I don't know
that this is true, but the story is that Mr.Branch blew up
XEPN transmitter, destroyed it completely by fire and
explosion. Margie and I - you - we moved to California then
to - we moved to San Diego and worked down there on the
station XELO down in Tiajuana, that's called the sin city of
Mexico.
BK: To summarize this interview, could you tell us
something about how the radio station was received by the
people of Eagle Pass?
CJ: Yes. I think , personally, I was received quite well
because I was the announcer. In other words, I was sort of
a half-way celebrity , not exactly a celebrity but they heard
my voice constantly and so I was received probably a little
bit better than some of the others.
The announcers, I think, were more or less received
well. The staff - this would include my wife and my
daughter - all of the people who worked on the station -
Major Cord and his wife, Mr. Kelly who did the t ap dancing -
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CJ: all of these people, we were sort of outlaws.
I can understand that, too, because we were sort of a
fly-by-night outfit. They didn't know whether we would be
there for any length of time. Well, just to give you an
example , when I went down there as an announcer, I think
there were about 4 other people who had been employed at the
station were fired. And they left. Well, they hadn't been
there probably more than a year or so and I suppose they
thought that was going to happen to us, too. And so, while
they treated us, let's say "Howdy" in the mornings, and
"Would you like to have a cup of coffee?" "Sit down and
drink a cup of coffee with us?" in a restuarant, that was as
far as any social life was concerned .
No one ever came to our house to visit. We never went
to anybody else ' s home to visit in Eagle Pass. But my
daughter, who was just a little child at that time - how old
were you at that time?
BK: I was in high school .
CJ: High school, and she was invited to go many places.
And she, of course , had her friends in the school there and
they were nice to her. And I think lots of it was that they
were inquisitive. But how - what she could tell us - tell
them about us, about the rest of the people that worked at
the station. Now, I think that Malen Rindheart and his
wife, I think they were treated better than, maybe, than my
wife and I because they were sort of celebrities. They were
singers. The musicians - the big orchestra, of course, they
were Me xicans. All of them came from Mexico City that
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CJ: played on that band there and they were treated royally
when ever the people cam~ there . to visit the station and
went across the border to visit.
But just in one sentence, we were really outlaws and we
were looked at by some - "I'd rather not know you too
well."
I would like to add that maybe I was a little rough
about the way the people treated us. We weren't quite that
bad and we loved the people there . We loved Eagle Pass. We
were very fond of the place and we had a nice place where we
lived in Eagle Pass. In fact, we were so fond of it that
here not too many years ago, we decided that we were going
back down the re, you know, sort of renew acquaintances and
probably renew some of the social activities that went on
there.
You know what had happened? The Eagle Hotel had been
taken down. It was a little parking lot there instead of
the Eagle Hotel.
We looked around, we couldn't find the thing. And, of
course, it had a wonderful restuarant when we were there .
We drove up and down the street and we said, "Eagle Pass, as
far as we knew it, is gone." And we said we'd never go back
again . We probably will some day, but it was certainly a
disappointment to us. Goodby .
BK: Thank you and goodby.
END OF TAPE 1, SIDE 1 - ABOUT 40 MINUTES.
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